Welcome to the first episode of our new interview series, Speaking Naturally – Open Discourses in a Censored World.  In it we have the great pleasure of providing an in-depth interview with Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, who’s name will be familiar with anyone with a keen interest in understanding the effects of the current covid mass vaccination programme.  


  • Rob Verkerk PhD interviews ex-pharma, ex-GAVI, ex-Gates vaccinologist Dr Geert Vanden Bossche in the first of our new series, ‘Speaking Naturally – open discourses in a censored world
  • The main topic of discussion is Dr Vanden Bossche’s concerns about lockdowns combined with the global mass covid vaccination program
  • Dr Vanden Bossche poses that ‘immune escape’ coupled with selection pressure on the virus will create ever more dangerous variants that will always remain one step ahead of the vaccine developers
  • This could cause the pandemic to spin out of control affecting industrialised, Western nations with high levels of chronic and metabolic disease most severely
  • Dr Vanden Bossche has been stonewalled by the WHO and medical mainstream while we think to dismiss them out of hand would be ethically, scientifically and socially irresponsible
  • This is a wide-ranging discussion over 1.5 hours. You can choose to watch the video interview or listen to the podcast.

About our guest

Dr Vanden Bossche knows a thing or two about vaccines and is a self-declared provaxxer. He is a seasoned vaccine developer (vaccinologist) with a track record with GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines and Solvay Biologicals. He’s also worked with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer and as Senior Ebola Program Manager with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva.

However, in early March Dr Vanden Bossche put out a call to the World Health Organization (WHO), supported by a 12-page document on a dedicated website especially set up to communicate his concerns. We responded with a 4,000-word article that tried to steer an objective line through conflicting streams of information and consider the implications of what appeared to be a whistleblower.


Dr Vanden Bossche’s ‘hockey stick’ hypothesis

With ANH’s founder, Rob Verkerk PhD, now having spent several hours in discussion with Dr Vanden Bossche, we are now of the view that it would be scientifically, socially and ethically irresponsible to dismiss Dr Vanden Bossche’s concerns. The key one is that the current covid control strategies, including the global mass vaccination program, will create an "uncontrollable monster". In summary, the concerns centre around the notion that a combination of lockdowns and extreme selection pressure on the virus induced by the intense global mass vaccination program might diminish the number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths in the short-term, but ultimately, will induce the creation of more mutants of concern. This is the result of what Dr Vanden Bossche calls ‘immune escape’ (i.e. incomplete sterilisation of the virus by the human immune system, even following vaccine administration). This will in turn trigger vaccine companies to further refine vaccines that will add, not reduce, the selection pressure, so producing ever more transmissible and potentially deadly variants.

The selection pressure will cause greater convergence in mutations that affect the critical spike protein of the virus that is responsible for breaking through the mucosal surfaces of our airways, the route used by the virus to enter the human body. The virus will effectively outsmart the highly specific antigen-based vaccines that are being used and tweaked, dependent on the circulating variants. All of this could lead to a hockey stick-like increase in serious and potentially lethal cases – in effect, an out-of-control pandemic.

Not only that, it will be Western nations with high proportions of metabolically diseased, overweight or obese individuals with compromised immune systems that will be hit hardest.

Of course, this is all speculation, and some will denounce Dr Vanden Bossche’s views as fear tactics. Others will claim it is the ravings of an independent scientist that has put 2 and 2 together and made 5. If you've got 1.5 hours spare, you'd do well to listen or watch the whole interview and draw your own conclusion.  

About the interview

During the interview, our founder asks Dr Vanden Bossche:

  • what kind of reactions he’s had to the publications of his views – both good and bad
  • What he sees that some of this colleagues clearly don’t
  • What kind of early warning signs or indicators might be available to see if Dr Vanden Bossche’s hypothesis is turning into becoming a reality as worrisome as that might be – and we’ll compare this SARS-CoV-2 outbreak with previous coronaviruses, namely SARS1 and MERS
  • What defines a vaccine? Given that the frontrunner vaccines are like none that preceded them.
  • What Dr Vanden Bossche thinks governments and individuals should do – given what we know now.


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For those who prefer to listen rather than watch you can listen to whole conversation on the ANH podcast

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