Welcome to the first episode of our new interview series, Speaking Naturally – Open Discourses in a Censored World. In it we have the great pleasure of providing an in-depth interview with Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, who’s name will be familiar with anyone with a keen interest in understanding the effects of the current covid mass vaccination programme.
- Rob Verkerk PhD interviews ex-pharma, ex-GAVI, ex-Gates vaccinologist Dr Geert Vanden Bossche in the first of our new series, ‘Speaking Naturally – open discourses in a censored world’
- The main topic of discussion is Dr Vanden Bossche’s concerns about lockdowns combined with the global mass covid vaccination program
- Dr Vanden Bossche poses that ‘immune escape’ coupled with selection pressure on the virus will create ever more dangerous variants that will always remain one step ahead of the vaccine developers
- This could cause the pandemic to spin out of control affecting industrialised, Western nations with high levels of chronic and metabolic disease most severely
- Dr Vanden Bossche has been stonewalled by the WHO and medical mainstream while we think to dismiss them out of hand would be ethically, scientifically and socially irresponsible
- This is a wide-ranging discussion over 1.5 hours. You can choose to watch the video interview or listen to the podcast.
About our guest
Dr Vanden Bossche knows a thing or two about vaccines and is a self-declared provaxxer. He is a seasoned vaccine developer (vaccinologist) with a track record with GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines and Solvay Biologicals. He’s also worked with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer and as Senior Ebola Program Manager with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva.
However, in early March Dr Vanden Bossche put out a call to the World Health Organization (WHO), supported by a 12-page document on a dedicated website especially set up to communicate his concerns. We responded with a 4,000-word article that tried to steer an objective line through conflicting streams of information and consider the implications of what appeared to be a whistleblower.
In this open letter I am appealing to the @WHO and all stakeholders involved, no matter their conviction, to immediately declare such action as THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN. Please read and share: https://t.co/0Fupw9JInP
#COVID19 pic.twitter.com/I24mSjpVKM— Geert Vanden Bossche (@GVDBossche) March 6, 2021
Dr Vanden Bossche’s ‘hockey stick’ hypothesis
With ANH’s founder, Rob Verkerk PhD, now having spent several hours in discussion with Dr Vanden Bossche, we are now of the view that it would be scientifically, socially and ethically irresponsible to dismiss Dr Vanden Bossche’s concerns. The key one is that the current covid control strategies, including the global mass vaccination program, will create an "uncontrollable monster". In summary, the concerns centre around the notion that a combination of lockdowns and extreme selection pressure on the virus induced by the intense global mass vaccination program might diminish the number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths in the short-term, but ultimately, will induce the creation of more mutants of concern. This is the result of what Dr Vanden Bossche calls ‘immune escape’ (i.e. incomplete sterilisation of the virus by the human immune system, even following vaccine administration). This will in turn trigger vaccine companies to further refine vaccines that will add, not reduce, the selection pressure, so producing ever more transmissible and potentially deadly variants.
The selection pressure will cause greater convergence in mutations that affect the critical spike protein of the virus that is responsible for breaking through the mucosal surfaces of our airways, the route used by the virus to enter the human body. The virus will effectively outsmart the highly specific antigen-based vaccines that are being used and tweaked, dependent on the circulating variants. All of this could lead to a hockey stick-like increase in serious and potentially lethal cases – in effect, an out-of-control pandemic.
Not only that, it will be Western nations with high proportions of metabolically diseased, overweight or obese individuals with compromised immune systems that will be hit hardest.
Of course, this is all speculation, and some will denounce Dr Vanden Bossche’s views as fear tactics. Others will claim it is the ravings of an independent scientist that has put 2 and 2 together and made 5. If you've got 1.5 hours spare, you'd do well to listen or watch the whole interview and draw your own conclusion.
About the interview
During the interview, our founder asks Dr Vanden Bossche:
- what kind of reactions he’s had to the publications of his views – both good and bad
- What he sees that some of this colleagues clearly don’t
- What kind of early warning signs or indicators might be available to see if Dr Vanden Bossche’s hypothesis is turning into becoming a reality as worrisome as that might be – and we’ll compare this SARS-CoV-2 outbreak with previous coronaviruses, namely SARS1 and MERS
- What defines a vaccine? Given that the frontrunner vaccines are like none that preceded them.
- What Dr Vanden Bossche thinks governments and individuals should do – given what we know now.
Watch or listen below.
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25 March 2021 at 8:35 am
Thank you for your honesty and intelligence. It's what we need now. I especially like the conversation here between representatives of integrative medicine and vaccination.
25 March 2021 at 9:49 am
Dear ANH team,
Thank you so much for putting this into public circulation today, I was rather deflated at last weeks summery of Dr Vanden Bossche’s opinions on the dangerous rollout of the Covid vaccines. Even as a layman, I totally agree with everything he says, it just makes so much sense.
Dr Vernon Coleman has been warning about just such a possible out come for sometime now. He is a retired GP and author of ‘How to stop your doctor from killing you’, amongst other topics and has produced many Brighteon videos on many topics.
I was also intrigued by Boris Johnson’s comment, before he quickly retracted it, that “This vaccine programme is about capitalism and greed”!
This vaccine roll out is a runaway horse, I think it is unstoppable purely because the public are so desperate to get vaccinated, thinking they are getting their ‘passport to freedom’, that they have become ‘sheeple’ through the fear generated by the mainstream media.
This vaccine and it’s possible passport is the final nail in the coffin of democracy, apart from being potentially an instrument in the mass extermination of humanity.
25 March 2021 at 11:24 am
There are key points.
He doesn't want to stop global vax Inc - but shift it to T-cell biotechnology ™ while bio-homeostasis (immune function) is perfectly able to meet adaptive change and challenge given the desist of toxic interventions and exposures, and sustenance of genuine connection and nutrient or support for living.
The investment in fear as the virus of perpetual war - is the gift that keeps on 'giving' via shifting narratives of private getting.
Rosemary Frei offers succinct and simple critique that an 'anti-narrative' (Stop the vax at any cost!) refuses to consider.
Such is the nature of polarised identity investment - and such is what B&M and co are expert at setting up and manipulating as a means of using the opponent's force to undermine them.
But everyone operates under their own self-interest as they currently and actively define and accept their self and world to be. Hence the attempt to mask in narratives of a claim to be right set against an emotionally invested blame, fear or evil wrong.
As I wrote a few minutes ago
"Beneath this* is the substitution for relational responsibility by thought set in rules and regulations given social consent, that then represent distrust & lack of faith in life, to conform & replace with systemic controls.
Governance as psycho-pathogenesis or terrain discernment?
The seductions of a seeming protection are the means to set up the racket of dependency and sacrifice under 'controls' set to make you safe (sic).
25 March 2021 at 11:44 am
Thanks for this very informative discussion!
25 March 2021 at 7:50 pm
For the sake of argument, let's suppose that Geert Vanden Bossche is right in his predictions and that the mass vaccination programme should be halted immediately for the safety of mankind. How could that even happen? On what basis could the WHO or any government suddenly tell everyone that they're going to stop it? They wouldn't be able to "come clean" and explain the problem that Vanden Bossche has postulated because there would be a national outcry by all those people already vaccinated! So on what other pretext could they possibly halt the vaccine programme? It just won't happen...
Barbara Widhalm, Ph.D.
25 March 2021 at 9:03 pm
Thank you so much for reaching out to Dr. Vanden Bossche for this follow-up interview! I so appreciated both dialog partners' openness to learn from each other and put your best thinking together in a world where there is so much divisiveness and polarization right now. As a next step, I invite you to consider inviting Dr. Zach Bush for another interview to explore what virology and the last 30 years of genomics research can teach us about the unique opportunity we are faced with right now. Dr. Bush has done several webinars recently you might be interested in exploring, including on the virome (https://zachbushmd.com/knowledge-virome/), and one looking back on this last year as a learning experience, considering multiple factors that have contributed to this unique situation (including the factors contributing to hot spots, such as pm 2.5 pollution, glyphosate poisoning, etc.), and critically examining common misconceptions about what the data (such as mortality graphs) tells us (https://zachbushmd.com/what-happened-last-year-replay/). You might also be interested in his replay on the innate immune system: (https://zachbushmd.com/innate-immune-system/). In fact, it would be fascinating to hear all three of you in dialog: Dr. Bush, Dr. Vanden Bossche, and Dr. Verkerk! With deep appreciation for your willingness to build bridges and create spaces for collective insight and co-creative problem-solving we so badly need.
25 March 2021 at 10:10 pm
Rob Verkerk is brilliant, I really like him and am glad that he is on our side.
26 March 2021 at 12:47 am
Please have Geert read the paper located at the link I pasted below. It demonstrates how nutritional factors are the driving force behind viral mutations that result in increased virulence. I presume you have read this paper already but if not it is an excellent read.
12 January 2022 at 5:57 pm
Laurette, do you know that Rudolf Steiner has left his visionary comment about future vaccines?
“I have told you that the spirits of darkness are going to inspire their human hosts, in whom they will be dwelling, to find a vaccine that will drive all inclination toward spirituality out of people’s souls when they are still very young, and this will happen in a roundabout way through the living body. Today, bodies are vaccinated against one thing and another; in future, children will be vaccinated with a substance which it will certainly be possible to produce, and this will make them immune so that they do not develop foolish inclinations connected with spiritual life – ‘foolish’ here, of course, in the eyes of materialists. . . .
“. . . a way will finally be found to vaccinate bodies so that these bodies will not allow the inclination toward spiritual ideas to develop and all their lives people will believe only in the physical world they perceive with the senses. Out of impulses which the medical profession gained from presumption – oh, I beg your pardon, from the consumption [tuberculosis] they themselves suffered – people are now vaccinated against consumption, and in the same way they will be vaccinated against any inclination toward spirituality. This is merely to give you a particularly striking example of many things which will come in the near and more distant future in this field – the aim being to bring confusion into the impulses which want to stream down to earth after the victory of the [Michaelic] spirits of light [in 1879].” ~Rudolf Steiner
26 March 2021 at 5:37 am
I am delighted that you have done this interview and published your updated thinking. I look forward to listening to it in its entirety. I wrote a pretty critical response to your first article and am happy that you continued to explore Bossche's ideas. Censoring of discussion by our health agencies got us into this mess. Our independent doctors and scientist must come together now if we are to get through this with any health and health service integrity in tact. Thank you.
27 March 2021 at 2:18 am
I have a question about something Dr. Bossche said that I am hoping someone can answer. He mentioned that specific antibodies bind stronger and suppress the innate immune system against variants. Does this happen in non-vaxxed people as well or is the condition specific to this vaccine? If so, why? Thank you. Great interview. Keep these discussions going!!!!
28 March 2021 at 4:51 am
Would also like to know the answer to the question that Tenaya before me asked. Does this suppression of the innate immune system happen in non-vaxxed people who got the coronavirus. I believe I heard him say in people that have been infected and vaccinated people. Thank you for people like Dr. Bossche who are coming forward!
Caroline Gilmartin www.nutraclin.com
28 March 2021 at 1:59 pm
My question is, if the vaccine confers antigen specific antibodies for a period of time then the second dose will of course increase that because they are looking for a “long lived” response theoretically but is it possible people first of all with 1 jab "run out" so to speak of this response and therefore the innate immune system can take over again and therefore if they don’t have second will hopefully avoid the worst. Second is it possible the potential wave of infections will only last as long as the life of the specific antibodies. So if someone gets the second dose then they need to shelter and be protected for a period of time. Of course if we get into 3rd jabs we are possibly doomed and there are other issues surrounding addition affects but trying to follow the logical and also look for some hope particularly I am thinking about friends who have had one jab but may reconsider the second.
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