US-based, Dr James ('Jack') Lyons-Weiler, founder of the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge in Pittsburgh, is your full-blown multi-disciplinary, big picture-thinking scientist. He's got an incredibly diverse background, scoping everything from paleoecology, evolutionary and molecular biology, through to population genetics, statistics and bioinformatics. He's one of the few people in the world who can lay claim, with Dr Paul Thomas, to the fact he's undertaken a vaccinated vs unvaccinated study. So we knew it would be an interesting conversation when he decided to have a recorded interview with our founder, Dr Rob Verkerk - also a scientific multi-disciplinarian - on his Unbreaking Science podcast.

Their main subjects of discussion, unsurprisingly, revolved around our current crisis, the political corruption of 'science' - and how on Earth we're going to get ourselves out of this mess!

If you have a warm (or cold) beverage to hand - we'd strongly recommend you sit back and check out a slightly abbreviated version (50 minutes) of what was a nearly 2 hour conversation! During our editing, we've done our best to leave you with the parts of the conversation we felt were most relevant to most people - who're not scientists! Happy viewing/listening! 

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